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Jeremy Crooks

Jeremy grew up in Sydney Australia. He has tertiary qualifications in business, training, and Bible. With experience in both church ministry and corporate human resources, Jeremy has a strong interest in how faith is demonstrated in our homes and workplaces. You can contact Jeremy at jeremy@teaminfocus.com.au.

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    Silvercloak

    You are also part of that delusion. Tell me, how can Christ marry the church of it is his body? Will he marry himself? Israel has always been his bride.

    The gay marriage debate is the great distraction, one of many. “There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” stop being so obsessed with your list of do’s and don’ts and just discover Christ.

    Believe the Bible regardless of what the clergy tell you

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    Jeremy Crooks

    Silvercloak, here is a Bible passage you may like to read about the church being compared to Jesus’ bride.

    Ephesians 5:25-27 says “For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God’s word. He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish”

    That does not mean that Israel is not referred to his bride as well. In fact, in heaven all the redeemed throughout all time will be united to Christ in the marriage supper of the lamb. Revelation 19:6-9

    I have no qualms with your point about discovering and being satisfied in Christ Jesus. If you are trying to say that some people promote the gay marriage debate as a distraction from other things, then I suppose that is possible. The other point you were trying to make about being obsessed with to do lists did not seem to make any sense in the context.

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      Silvercloak

      FYI – nowhere in that scripture does it state that the Church is Christ’s bride. In fact if you go further in that passage it becomes clearer that the comparison Paul is making is that (as he has stated in other passages) Christ is the head, we are the body. He is using the church as an analogy for how we should treat our wives, but he at no point calls the Church, the bride of Christ.

      Pay close attention;

      28 Thus, the husbands also ought to be loving their own wives as their own bodies. He who is loving his own wife is loving himself.
      29 For no one at any time hates his own flesh, but is nurturing and cherishing it, according as Christ also the ecclesia,
      30 for we are members of His body.

      “Ought to be loving their own wives as their own bodies…”

      “No one at any time hates his own flesh….”

      Simply put – we are part of Christ’s body. We have an even more intimate role than as the bride (which is Israel). The ecclesia IS the groom!

      My point, as for the dos and donts. Is that all of this carping about the gays is because Christianity is obsessed with a moral list of dos and donts.

      Why?

      Are we suddenly Israelites that we need to follow a mosaic priestly code?

      When gentile believers were becoming part of the ecclesia the early Church fought over moral law and Paul made it clear there were only 3 things that they should abstain from. Eating meat sacrificed to idols, drinking blood and temple prostitution.

      Everything else was up to their conscience, because we are no longer under LAW but under grace. Go read Romans for some of that, and if you’re still not convinced go read Galatians.

      Everything is permissible! It is up to our conscience to decide what is beneficial.

      Silvercloak

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    Jeremy Crooks

    Silver cloak, I’m happy to stand by my comment referring to the church as the bride of Christ. I’m not sure how you interpret the marriage supper of the lamb in Revelation 19:6-9 with the ecclesia as the groom?

    If you’ve experienced a segment of Christianity that is obsessed with mosaic law, then I am sorry. The law will not save anyone. That is why we follow Jesus and his teachings. In fact the only bolded quote in this article are Jesus’ direct words.

    It is possible to comment on a social issue without being obsessed. You may be confusing obsession with gay marriage with the mainstream media. The Fairfax and News Ltd papers have an article on it nearly every day. If you read some more articles on this blog and you will find that the drumbeat of this blog is grace, forgiveness and salvation through Jesus.

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      Silvercloak

      :) it’s fine. I just have a broader understanding of grace than Christianity accepts.

      Incidentally the passage you quote from Revelations never specifies the bride as being the body of Christ. Throughout the entire Bible Jerusalem has always been the bride. Being that Revelations is primarily a Hebrew book full of imagery and symbology related to Israel’s feasts and history, it would not surprise me in the least.

      The Body of Christ has always been part of Christ, which is why when Christ appears, so also shall we appear in glory. Col 3:4

      When you divide the word correctly, you will find amazing things concealed within it that Christianity will never comprehend. :)

      Father’s blessings on you

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    Jeremy Crooks

    Silvercloak, I go back to the Ephesians 5 passage that both you and I quoted from. I posted verses 25-27, you posted verses 28 – 30. Let’s finish the context by posting verses 31-32 which answers the interpretation question you raised. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church.

    These two verses clearly interpret that God is comparing the union of one man and one women in marriage to Christ and the church. This passage is also another NT basis for defining marriage as a monogamous union of man and wife.

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      Silvercloak

      The mystery, or secret as is written in my version, he’s referring to is Christ and the ecclesia. Not marriage. That’s what Paul is clarifying by saying that in verse 32.

      No worries though, I don’t think we’ll see eye to eye on this at present. As Paul says in Phillipians 3:15, we are disposed as God reveals to us.

      Looking forward to that day when we no longer see as through a mirror darkly!

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